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Analysis on one of the best fights from 2022: Gorgc vs Fishman

Had some free time after work, found this drama on my youtube feed (again!). After hearing Gorgc and reading the comments decided to look for the truth myself.

Here is a link for the whole VOD if you want to follow (match at around 2:17:00):

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1683218210

In-game timings:

0:00 Right of the bat Gorgc decides to go for wraith band as 1st item instead of boots/orb of venom against a pretty slow target like Doom but aight, this is a pub 😉

5:12 After skirmishing for a long time on a lane that should have been super easy for Gorgc, Fishman is forced to return to fountain. I believe Fishman got a bit tilted at this point, so this is probably why he didn't return to the lane but instead decided to lane on top.

6:12 Gorgc makes a questionable 1 vs 2 attack which consequently forces him to go fountain.

6:59 Support Pugna asks Gorgc if he is fine to which Gorgc replies "yes, I'll be ok"

8:05 Gorgc feels confident about 1v1 Doom but Hoodwink joins and punish Gorgc just as he was 1 cs away from lvl 6. Unlucky for Gorgc but sort of expected

8:55 Gorgc starts getting tilted as Dire now has 3 heroes showing and pressuring on bottom.

9:02 Gorgc, low on hp after trading some hits for cs, is forced to retreat to fountain which naturally tilts him more.

9:17 Gorgc checks how top lane is going, sees Fishman being fucked by Pudge while a clueless Centaur looks hesitant on whether help him or cut the creep wave. Fisman dies*. I'm gonna give this one to Fishman and assume that as a pro player with better game sense, he understands that: Dire just showed up 3 heroes bottom, Centaur has hood of defiance therefore some pressure on Pudge could be viable and the best thing to do but Centaur decided to ditch him. I think Fishman kind of fucked up here.*

9:23 Gorgc types "Wasting time, losing top, idk. Just fucking zone the lvl 4 doom" to a Fishman boy that was quite the whole time. Tell me if I'm wrong but wouldn't you say that Gorgc was the first to initiate the insults? Even if you're a pro player or whatever, mistake or not, and considering how bottom lane went, wouldn't you get mad at what Gorgc?Note Fishman didn't respond so he is probably building up the rage.Gorgc then proceeds to mald about Pugna for not being helpful and being too late because Fishman went top for no reason. I'm trying to be impartial here but didn't Gorgc say a minute ago that he was fine and that didn't need help? I mean, if he needed help he should have said so instead of "I'll be fine". About Pugna, he could have also continued pressuring top in accordance to what Gorgc said about being "fine" but Pugna was forced to tp bot, so yes he is too late… obviously.

9:54 Gorgc enables the mic and goes, "I don't understand guys, whatever it's too late. I don't understand (pings twice to Fishman hero on top) why you keep tping top, what's the point". Again Gorgc with the passive aggressive behavior. We all understand how triggering those repetitive pings are.

10:00 Fishman finally responds, "Gorgc please shut up. I don't want to speak with you shut up" "I don't want to speak with you, you're useless, shut up"

10:06 Gorgc explodes and well here we are…

Extra:

10:13 Gorgc comes back with a "You fucking dumbass, don't use my name you fucking dog" while Fishman stops talking

10:27 Gorgc, "You don't have the right to flame"

Gorgc continues as "Why the fuck does he keep flaming me" and more…

24:10 Fight continues. They continue arguing and insulting on acceptable levels but note how furious Gorgc gets at 24:28 when he is told to shut up. Almost jumps his chair D:

My humble, hopefully non-biased take:

  1. Neither Gorgc nor Fishman are correct here, I think we all can agree to some extent to that, even Gorgc agrees to that.
  2. However, let's not fool anybody. Gorgc's defense is pretty much "I didn't start it". Gorgc started it all at 9:23 (regardless of good or bad play from Fishman). Gorgc says at 10:27, and I'm pretty sure this is selective memory from him, that Fishman should stop flaming… brother, it was you who started it all way before that and went crazy when you were told to shut up. How on earth does this escalate to the point of calling a public person's mother a dog while streaming the whole thing more than 10k people?? and all this cause you were told to shut up… and well… useless on a VIDEOGAME?

Again, both were wrong but Gorgc if you see this, don't lie to yourself thinking you were dragged to this due to the circumstances. It's clear now to me that you have some anger issues which I can totally understand cause I've been there too but realize that you're not a child anymore.With all do respect I think you should focus more on this explosive/reactive behavior which we all are spectating. Otherwise you'll continue losing viewers to Qojqva (and even Masao) who in my opinion is looking better and better. More importantly, your image as a public person and as "untiltable mountain" at some point goes down the toilet more and more.

TL;DR:

They're both wrong and Gorgc knows it, but his defense is "Fishman started it"… brother it was you all along.

Gamer

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